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Vasco Grilo's avatar

"To try to understand how much impact efficiency has had, we can try a simple counterfactual: What if we held today’s demand constant, but produced it using the efficiency levels of 1960?"

I do not think this is the right counterfactual. The demand for animal-based foods cannot be assumed to be constant because it is affected by the efficiency of animal farming. For the efficiency levels of 1960, animal-based foods would have remained way more expensive than now, and therefore the demand for them would have been much lower than now. Moreover, there would have been less population growth if the efficiency of all agriculture had remained at 1960 levels.

Agricultural land per capita has been decreasing (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/agricultural-area-per-capita?country=~OWID_WRL), so this does not imply that greater agricultural efficiency tends to decrease cropland. Lower efficiency also tends to result in lower population growth, which contributes towards decreasing agricultural land. Furthermore, even if greater agricultural efficiency decreased not only agricultural land per capita, but also total agricultural land, it would still be the case that a lower efficiency of animal farming in particular would have implied less agricultural land holding the efficiency of the production of plant-based foods constant.

Total agricultural land increased a lot after the industrial revolution (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-peak-agricultural-land?country=~OWID_WRL), so increases in efficiency have overall increased agricultural land. However, agricultural land seems to be now starting to decrease. I assume due to the continuation of increasing yields, and sufficiently slow population growth, and sufficiently growth of the consumption per capita of animal-based foods.

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Garreth Byrne's avatar

I have read Weighing animal welfare and dove deeply into the models. My review is 3 stars "at least they tried". The models give 10% credence to all animals having the same welfare range as humans. This is simply nonsense that drags up the mean. More weight is given to the behaviour vs neurophysiological model (60/30 IIRC) where the behaviour model is lacking a lot of data for these animals and the neurophysiological model destroys their p(sentience). I think assuming wild animals live net negative lives in ways where extinction is beneficial is extremely counterproductive and would advise against it given the uncertainty and benefits these animals often provide to the ecosystem.

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